Plenty of Fish and Dating Site Disruption

By leelefever on June 11, 2007 - 9:03pm.

If you haven't heard about Markus Frind and his dating site at plentyoffish.com, you will.



Markus is singlehandedly disrupting the dating site industry by offering a free alternative to pay-to-play sites like match.com. What makes his story so interesting is that he is the site's only employee - he runs the whole site from his Vancouver, Canada apartment and makes millions of dollars from Google ad revenue.


Here are some of the basic facts from a recent Wall Street Journal story (via: online personal watch):



  • For the week ended April 28, PlentyOfFish.com was the 96th-busiest Web site in the U.S. (HitWise)

  • Busy Web sites like these usually require scores of people. Mr. Frind says people often don't believe him when he says PlentyOfFish is all his.

  • Nielsen/NetRatings says that by some measures, such as the time its members spend on the site, it ranks second after eHarmony.

  • A few months back, he posted on his blog a picture of a check from Google for nearly $1 million for a two-month period. Google confirmed the check was for real.

  • Mr. Frind says the site brings in between $5 million and $10 million a year.

  • Many companies would respond to competitive pressure by hiring someone. Mr. Frind says he has no plans to do so.

There are two things that I love about this story:


1. Disruption: Markus is constantly talking about the demise of the paid sites and has the model to prove that he's a real threat to the top players. I have nothing against the paid sites, or their model, but it's great to see one guy be able to create something so threatening to an established industry. His blog is here.


2. Small is beautiful. Consider this: In 2005, Match.com had 275 employees and Alexa (whose permalinking and graph sharing tool is very broken - booo!) says Plenty of Fish is gaining on them in a big way - with only one employee and no venture funding.


This idea of being small, lightweight and happy really appeals to me in a fundamental way. It reminds me of the Robot Co-op who run very large sites (like 43 Things) with a small team of 6. The same is true with 37 Signals who have chosen to stay small despite the to opportunity to grow in #s of employees and of course, Craigslist.


These days, 20+ employees and millions of capital can be more of an impediment than an advantage - especially if you count the happiness factor. I count Markus as one the few who are showing us the business models of the future.

Great writeup

Great writeup Lee -- had not realized the site had achieved so much momentum.

Marcus Bashing and POF

..don't be fooled by the paid site stooges and goofs on here whining about Marcus and POF...yeah Marcus and his "volunteers" are a little autocratic at times, but if you put up a decent profile, act sensible and don't get political (as in bashing Canadians) or get stupid on the forums you'll be left alone.

So if you don't like POF go on Yahoo Personals, Lava, Match or e-Harmony pay your big $$$ and watch the fakes and players lead you on just as your "subscription" runs out. It's amazing how many gals show "an interest" in you near the end or just as your your subscription ends...of course you have to sign up and pay to answer all those tantalizing emails... and of course once you do, you never hear from them again. Duh...

...as Barnum once said.. "there's a sucker born every minute."

Don't be fooled by Marcus's

Don't be fooled by Marcus's lies. He spends a lot of servers, and has a few people working with him. He does not run it from his apartment, he has servers at Peer1 which is a co-lo in Vancouver.

He also uses Akamai to serve up his static content, which in turn is like having 10,000 servers around the globe. This costs a pretty penny, and I bet he's coming close to his spending vs. ad revenue right about now.

Marcus Lies?!?

Marcus lies...

...Hark, another paid site crank on somebody's payroll me thinks...

yup To be one of the highest visited sites on Google?? .....well I guess he has a lot of servers, and no; I doubt if they are all sitting there grinding away in his living room. Those servers are off site.. and I have no doubt they use some serious bandwidth, and they probably cost some serious coin, and he manages the works from his living-room.

So what? click on a few ads, maybe buy something... it pays the bills. Or would you rather pull out your credit card and play the "she loves me she loves me not" paid site games?

..Marcus lies.... yeah right... get a grip and a get a life.

reviews

well, Marcus may be making his money but from my experience and the reviews i have seen he isn't making some of his members happy.

unfortunately that is what you get when you have one guy who is running the show and doesn't take input from anyone else.

the treatment of members with different gender and orientation seemed to be enforced just based on his personal feelings about it.

ah well, you get what you pay for...

Small fish, maybe...it's been down for 4 hours today!

Plentyofish.com has been giving a "cannot find server" message for most of the afternoon today, 8/9/07

There's a reason for the business model, folks, and it's to provide redundent systems, back-ups, and automatic switching in case of an outage. this takes strategic planning, equipment, and staff.

But, of course, it's only an adult meeting site - can't imagine there is a dating emergency, but you never know! Sombody might actually try to sue for a disruption of service when their soul mate doesn't believe a lack of communication was due to the web site outage!

HAHAHAHAHAAH

server disruption

I'm new to the Plenty of Fish site and really glad you mentioned this, as I thought they'd cut me off!

I was wondering just what I'd done to deserve it!

Really annoying, as I was finally getting round to making some dates after stalling for a month!

Legal suit pending.... only joking Marcus. Please don't eject me. Please.....

pof sucks

too many fake profiles. profiles disapearing for no reason. people joining just to use the forums. too many fat women and women with kids.

You are an

You are an ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!

Where is my Profile

I really like the site but wonder why my profile CANNOT be established. I've created a profile 6 times of which each of them is still NOT accepted by the site. Unfortunately each time I'v submitted a profile, the site says my information is not in the system even though I've received email confirmation email from Plenty of Fish with my login & password.

I've email Plenty of Fish is questions regarding such without success. I am not here to speak against the site, I really like it but I would really like to know what's the deal. Also, I've followed EVERY guideline that Plenty of Fish ask their customers/members to follow, please ask Markus to help!

Elgin Edmonds
elgin@presswirenews.com

the same thing is happening to me

Has anyone help you with this problem, The same thing is happening to me.. any solution? Please E mail me

same thing happened to me

I also can not establish a profile, Ive tried it several times , get a email confirmation, Then its gone.. Any solution?

Same thing happened to me

Same thing happened to me too. Can't create a profile, tried seveal times. POF won't reply to anyone emailing them about it too.Real good customer service. Cant even reply to the people that made him rich.

same thing me too

My profile was also deleted..actually a couple of them..
What I suggest id this..
If the addmin doesnt want to respond to e-mails asking why the account was deleted..try contacting the advertisers..they of course wont be able to give you a reason..but after enough annoying e-mail about this problem..they might just sit down and have a little chat with him...
Seriously...if your having problems with some one at work..and they wont talk to you about it..what do you do?..go to your boss..so do the same here

deleted profile

the same thing has happened to me, i have had my profile on POF for awhile now I have always folowed the rules, then one night my [profile was deleted, I vreated my profile a few times created different hotmail accounts, using other computers and still i get confirmation from the site saying it was created a friend of mine i sent an email through POF recieved a confirmation that I sent him an email there and the mail he never recieved, What is up with that, I also sent an email to contact and have had no success, has anyone found out what the problem is, Im getting very annoyed as to why I cannot find my profile, and its been over a week now and I still cant create or find my profile, Getting very aggitated here... Damn U Marcus!!!!

Dear Mr.POF SUCKS!, You are

Dear Mr.POF SUCKS!, You are exactly the kind of guy that women are NOT looking for. I am glad that you are so perfect. I expect that you think you are so special that you don't really need to be using a dating site. Just becouse a woman has some extra pounds doen't mean that she is a bad person. If a woman is single and has kids it doesn't mean that there isanything wrong with her. I hope you find what you are looking for and I hope that you start to think about other people and their feelings. You won't find "Barbie" on any site. She has already passed you by.

Fake profiles and Romance Scams on Plenty of Fish

Something really fishy is going on online at Plenty of Fish--and the phony fish are called "Romance Scams." According to my research-up to 50% of the female profiles on POF are phony. I know, up to 50% sounds unbelievable, and since you don’t know me, I strongly encourage you to start your own research by reviewing the men’s scam photo albums on a site called romancescam(dot com)-on its home page just click on “album” from the “Site Navigation” menu on the top left side of the page… It contains thousands of photos, but I speculate that you’ll only need to search a few pages to reach your own conclusion… You might even find many of the POF members that you thought were real-with their photos posted as being romance scams (I know I did…). No, I did not compare the men’s photo albums on romancescam(dot com) to POF as I did with the women’s albums, but the number of scam albums posted for men appear to be higher (142 albums for men to 101 for women in one category); therefore, one could logically hypothesize that the problem is around 40% more prevalent for women looking for men.You might be messaging a nice 25-year-old guy, but the person behind the profile might actually be a 12-year-old girl, a 70-year-old prison inmate, or a Nigerian female scammer! Or I might be messaging a 30-year-old female doctor, but the person behind the profile might actually be a gay Lon Chaney "Phantom of the Opera!!"

I believe that the owner of POF kicked me off the site for informing members about the truth... Why doesn't he want to prevent real POF members from getting scammed? Is he working with them or for them? I guess the truth will set you free, because now I'm a free fish, and free to freely spread the truth!

Is Plenty of Fish a Romance Scam?

Attention dude who wrote “Fake profiles and Romance Scams on Plenty of Fish”
Dude you missed the point. It is all about money. More profiles, fake or real, means more money. Check this out: “CHICAGO TRIBUNE — July 6 — Markus Frind, the 29-year old founder of Plenty of Fish, posted a check recently showing the site earned nearly $1 million from Google AdSense in a 2-month period.”
Now check this out from “askdanandjennifer:” “…dating sites ‘pad’ the website with fake profiles and even go so far as to send a message to their members from this ‘fake’ person in the hopes of generating more activity on the site.”
So the question should not be, “Is he working with them or for them?” But is Markus Frind and his employees posting several hundred thousand fake profiles to make the big bucks? If I were someone like Google AdSense, I’d get my lawyers to subpoena records and find out if they over paid for services.
Dude, of course he kicked you off Plenty of Fish! If all the fake profiles got removed, he might be left with a $40.00 a month paycheck! It’s all about mucho money! The hell with the real members cause they don’t bring in the bucks, and you might have been helping out the real members but you were costing Markus money!

Adiós Amigo!!!

He is absolutely correct. I

He is absolutely correct. I got bounced because I got upset with all the hate and vitriole being spewed by the forums at POF. So last night 02.12.08 I created a bogus account and started to spam the really pretty people with e-mail and I kept having my pictures deleted from my profile. I was using that famous mug shot of the criminal from Oregon that looks like Beavis of Beavis and Butthead. I rounded it down to two unbelievable beauties and viola as soon as I reattached that image and sent an email to those account I got a so called automated warning that I was using copywritten pics, but since it was a mug shot of a convicted felon it is public property in the public domain-I replied "eat me" to the admin and my profile disappeared. They have been watching for my IP and I have tried to creat two more but they whack it real quick. SO as a good person I called a very powerful man in NY and another in LA, POF will have a really full legal calendar next week. I will come back here in 2 weeks to tell everyone who I contacted and why!

agree..

theres more fat ugly women on POF than any other site and believe me am not trying to be mean, its just a fact!

you are a complete asshole i

you are a complete asshole i bet your short fat and bald

Plenty of fish = rednecks and fat chicks

Yeah Im a professional educated woman, met a few guys that are nice, intelligent, attractive, educated...most of what I have heard from the guys is that the chicks are fat like the previous guy said...ha...fat and stupid I mean.

LOADS of Nascar oddities there....nevertheless I say for a free site I met a few nice people.
I wouldnt pay for a dating site for anything..too man fish off the net that is.

offline again

jus tried going on plenty of fish an is offline been offline for 3 hours now

I think that a lot of the

I think that a lot of the men that use this site are expecting to find Barbie (and for Free no less). I used this site to see what was out there after I ended a long term abusive relationship. I found that most of the men could not spell or use correct grammer. They are all "into the outdoors" and have "athlectic body types" HA! ! All this site did for me was confirm that men really are out for one thing. And to think that I was helping some guy make millions, kills me

POF - run by morons

POF - I have been on it for 2 years, and its run by morons. Not to mention I find out that admin can go in and read your private emails whenever they like that you send through their server.
They go in and delete whatever they want, and it is such a high school attitude place. Facebook - and My Space is much better - and run by more intelligent people.
And I noticed the email I signed up with - the only place I ever used that email - is getting huge amounts of spam - so they sell your email to spam lists.
If you are worried about your information being shared, or about private matters being shared - stay away from POF.

Guess what

Anyone who can make between $5 and $10 million from the comfort of his/her home is far from a moron. Sorry to burst your bubble but almost all sites will sell your information if you give it to them. Did you sign a sheet that said you don't want your information shared? I didn't think so...

Why can't I access the POF site?

I keep getting DSN error or page not available? It's been at least two weeks since I have been able to sign on.

I joined this site several

I joined this site several days ago and have gone around and around to try to log in. I am unable to as it says I need to lower the privacy to low to accept cookies... I've done it over and over and over and over again... it's quite frustrating as I am out here on this site with a photo of myself and can't even remove it. Why have myself out there and have no access. There is nobody to answer questions and every place I go for help it directs me tot he same thing... privacy to low to enable cookies... So, what now!!! RIDICULOUS. I've read this complaint over and over and over...

I saw your message about

I saw your message about POF. Up until 4 mos ago I had no problems with the site...then made the mistake of deleting my account. For the past 2 mos I have tried repeatedly to establish a new profile. Everything indicates the profile is good and I can actually access the site...but only for a few minutes or at best a couple of days. Then I get the error message telling me to lower the security. Which I have done. But it appears that my profile has been completely deleted. Only thing i can do is create a whole new profile...which I have done over and over. But to no avail. It sounds like u and I have the same problem. Did you ever find a solution?

JJE3

POF, not what it seems

If you are from the USA you already have two strikes against you. The moderators in the forums are bitter self serving canadians, and if you don't agree with their liberal ideas, you have now appeared on their "radar". This past week they had a wholesale profile deletions frienzy. I had quit posting on the forums for a while now because of these problems. I tried to log on and was denied, but sent to a forum section for help. This section has allowed the moderators to bash people and accused them of outright lying about the previous posts they had made. I had been entertaining the idea of cancelling my account anyway. This has only verified the feeling of CONCEIT younger canadians have for Americans, and I'm glad to be gone. To the owner:......you sir are the jerk, and once everyone sees you for what you are they will drop out too. You can only tell ppl that if they don't like it they can leave so many times before they will..free site or not.
Thanks to this site for letting me vent!

Those Big Bad Canadians

I know exactly what you're saying, those darn pushy "self serving liberal Canadians" and their crazy ideas! How dare they! And on a FREE dating site too. The nerve of them. The whole world knows, if you're really looking for unselfish, self sacrificing individuals , who are always prepared to hear out anyones opinion, no matter how different they are from their own, the people to talk to are conservative Americans. Who would doubt that? Get a grip eh.

It's nothing like that

When I went onto POF I had NO preconceived ideas about canadians in general. What I am complaining about is the uneven way POF handles problems in the forum. What I found was that, repeated violaters of the rules were treated differently according to where they live! I can give at least 5 examples of canadians who violated the rules and were suspended at least 6 times and yet were never banned. Not so for the wholesale banning of Americans from the site.
So if you are playing that "big bad canadian" BS pedal your stuff elsewhere. I form my opinions from real life experiences and not by word of mouth. You have just put another check in the column of the canucks from up north eh?

It all true :) Markus is a

It all true :) Markus is a dink.... comments that don't fall in line with newage correctness are deleted... the moderators are a bunch of cowardly fascists..... all I can say is I am glad I didnt pay for it ......
I seriously have to wonder who the end user of some of this info is.... annoying to realize that private is public .... its probably the police using it

POF SUCKS!

Whatever Markus! POF sucks, there are maybe a few quality people but I have been on and off for 2 years and have found nothing but MAJOR LOSERS! Someone even majorly scammed me and I brought it to Markus's attention numerous times, but alas that person is STILL on and stalking and scamming innocent women as we speak. I know this for a FACT. SO sad because there are so many truly searching for someone on there. I went to a POF party (1st and last) never met so many overweight, jobless, car-less, homeless people in my life. Couldn't believe my eyes, again yikes and double yikes. My profile is permanently deleted and will NEVER appear on there again. Good thing the site is free or else he wouldn't have anyone on it.

In regards to, "POF SUCKS."

In regards to, "POF SUCKS." I feel I am a quality individual and just only days ago posted a profile and several photos and as stated prior in this thread, I have never been able to gain access to anybody or any help as to why I can't log back in. I can access my profile by typing in my user name and it's still up and people have written, etc.

My question is you stated, "I brought this to Markus' attention numberous times, but alas the person is still on....." How on earth did you gain access to Markus? I can't even gain access to a place to delete my profile as I can't log in to the freakin thing and I HATE IT that my profile is up showing me to the US and I can't log in to get it off this stupid site!

If anybody can tell me how to gain access in some way to delete the dang thing... please let me know!!! I have tried multiple computers with low privacy settings, etc, etc and to no avail!!!

Help, please!

POF is CRAP

While the idea of a free dating service was a good one
the women you meet on POF only go for models if you are anything less than 5,10 (as some even post in their profiles) you are out of luck.

Worst yet I deleted my profile then later tried to make a new one and it seems I can't?!! when I sent and email to find out why no answer? so I assumed I have been blocked......I never said or did anything offensive or rude to anyone on the site! You would think someone would at least answer you when you email them?

GUYS LET ME SAVE YOU SOMETIME!!!!

FORGET PLENTY OF FISH

ALSO E-HARMONY or LAVALIFE or THE MANY FRIENDFINDERS THESE ARE SCAMS!!!!!

The only way you meet someone is get outside and mingle with people in the real world......thats all there is to it people.

YES you will get reject but F*UK them if they don't like you move on.....it's not like you every need to see them again......or yourself worth is measured by what some unknown person thinks of you.

THATS RIGHT!!!! REPEAT AFTER ME!!!!

F*UK THEM!!! WHO CARES IF THEY LIKE ME OR NOT!!! IT'S THEIR LOST IF THEY CAN'T SEE I'M A GOOD CATCH!!! NEXT!!!

This goes for you ladies also if a guy treats you like
SH*T and you TAKE IT you deserve it and more.
MOVE ON LADIES FIND A GOOD MAN!!!

PoF is awful

I have met a few people that I went on to date, one for three months. Those were flukes. For the most part, the woman are either stuck up (and really cute) or are desperate (and really ugly or has issues). The worst part is that the system is undeniably screwed up to where it states a message is sent, but it never is. Ironically, it's usually the cute girls this is a problem with. Moderators REFUSE to even acknowledge the problem, and state it is message filters/restrictions (even though when this is the case, you can't message them at all - it blocks it). I've been banned and ignored because I refused to buy their BS. I finally deleted my profile for good.

I actually deleted my

I actually deleted my account from plentyoffish 3 years ago because of the aggressive handling by the mods of some neo-con-freaks from the usa. Now, I'm the first to say that neo-cons should be all sent to guantanomo bay for treason, but on a date site...come one, don't humiliate them - afterall we are still guys looking for a date. So, after my fellow Canadian comrade deleted the deranged, yet colourful, neo-cons, we were left with people who basically agreed with each other....no debating etc. It became one big preening session. Besides, the mods are flakes...all flakes.

Anyway, after i left plentyoffish, I found a gf turned wife in the real-world not some cyber-loser-site that contains up-sized women with fresh baby's hanging off their breasts looking for a man to pay the bill for diapers.

POF houses a bunch of strange little men

In a nutshell-I cancelled my profile today. I really could not understand what some of these people were thinking. The messages they would leave for me were ridiculous. Some looked like convicts! The things they would enter on their profile would make me just shake my head. The pathetic little pea brain of some people. They are asking for a fit woman, but they are overweight! Huh?
I met a couple of guys that were okay.....but I do see why they are single and can not find a good woman. How can you consider yourself trying to find someone and you can't communicate? I met a guy from POF and he proceeded to tell me at lunch that he has a phobia..he doesn't like crowds. It freaks him out to go into a Gas Station..and at one point he didn't even want to leave his house. Do what!!! Check please.
I have met and became friends with a couple of guys that are pretty cool. But my personal search is over. I am done. My self worth is way too important. I know I deserve a great guy and I do believe there are some good ones out there. I just hope with my busy schedule, I will bump into him.
TI tried this method because of my work schedule. I travel quite a bit for work. I don't have time to get out on my own, especially in my home area. I meet guys all the time when I travel. That isn't reall realistic. But....I will have to find a way....because I will not resort to POF or any other internet sites AGAIN! But best of luck to the ones that do continue their search online.

Why does my plentyoffish account keep on getting deleated?

Reading through this blog

Reading through this blog has been a real eye opener. Am I ever naive and embarrassed. I never dreamt that these sites are filled with phony profiles. Are there a dinks who inflate their egos with wonderful descriptions of themselves, Yeah, I've met a few. But no more. Delete, Delete, Delete!!!
By the way, "Chuck the spam slayer" thx for your words of wisdom.

All the Comments

Wow, there are some angry people on POF. I guess if you don't like the site, then perhaps look elsewhere. Obviously you are not finding what your looing for, but really with some attitudes like yours, no wonder your still single.

Bull Crap

I was a member of this site. Then they fixed it where I couldn't get on. So I went on as a differnet person. Within 15 minutes it put me off and I can't get back on.
If I ever run into the guy that started this site I will kick his ass as he is discriminating me from meeting ladies.

Profile

I just want to comment on putting a profile in several times and getting the Error '/' Server not working. Well all the time I thought it was my old computer, ta da...it's pof problem. So glad I found this blog.

I wrote several times to Markus and he never returned my email, now I know why.

And as far as the people on this site....forget it. I'll be better of with a Dog!!

And to think married men are on there looking for some thing extra...'my wife don't understand me'....I am an honest man, I will treat you like a queen!!! Honestly, what a bunch of creeps.

Nowadays, can't trust anyone...looks like I may be an old maid and get use to it!! Good Luck to All.

PFO, POF! (lol)

I’ve just deleted my POF profile after only being on it for three weeks. I sent out 29 emails and, though I did at least manage to get four replies that were positive, out of those 4, there was only one who I would really liked to have met outside of the online world. Unfortunately, after she asked me to complete an online Myers-Brigg assessment, which came up as a personality profile shared by 2% of the population, she informed me that she had met somebody through the site that she found intriguing and preferred only to deal with one guy at a time. Well, fair enough, I thought. So I emailed her telling her that she was somebody I would’ve like to have met offline, told her she had my contact information (I’d given her my phone # and email address) and said that if it didn’t work out, please feel free to contact me.

Then I thought about all the time I’d spent getting to that stage, and decided that, with my career interest (and believe me, unlike probably at least 3/4 of the population, I HAVE found my life’s calling and do enjoy what I do), my workout schedule at the gym and an activity completely unrelated to work that brings me joy and peace, I simply do not have the time to waste on this site.

Potential coffee dates with strangers online who I will probably never meet? What’s the point?

in regards to POF sucks:

I also would like to add myself to the list of people that is also having no luck logging into POF after creating a profile.It is surprising how common this problem is and it surely must be something to consider for those of you that are able to use the site.When people send me mail through the site I have no way to read the contents and respond.I wish that I could delete my profile but that is not possible either.Likely if all the fake profiles and inaccessable ones suddenly disappered POF would become the worlds smallest free dating site.

Plentyoffish Sucks!

Whoever said that POF is run by morons is right. It uses volunteer moderators, most of whom are feminazis.

Dare to post in their forums with anything that tells the truth about how shitty POF is... especially for guys. And you will find your posts deleted. Without warning or justification.

'Fair comment' and 'freedom of speech' are concepts that are alien to POFand its moderators.

Avoid it like the plague and it'll die of its own accord.
A more appropriate name for POF should be plentyofrottenfish.com.

Most of the women there are stuck-up skanks with a bad case of Princess Syndrome.

Dating and marriage is becoming a bad deal for men anymore, so why bother?

Plenty of fish - free dating service (Mr. Markus)

Woh, Mr. Markus is the top sample that I am impressed in my life. He has a master mind in marketing and managing his site by himself.
Again, Mark, if you read this note, I just want to say how smart you are.
Again, thank you for sharing his successful story.
Jenny.

Just doing my job

Come on gimme break I'm just job.

nob

i had an e-mail from a strange male, which said can i spunk in your face!!! i e-mailed him back and said what i thought of course!!!, he told me to go and kill myself that it would be better!!!, i was horrified and annoyed, but there is no where on here to report him!!! can anyone help!!!!

More login problems

I'd like to add to the "deleted profile" problems of this website. I''ve been deleted and am getting that daft "enable cookies" message as well. My profile has gone from the obviously cheapskate system this Markus guy uses. I re-registered, got my confirmation e-mail and lo and behold, i'm still not there!! He's making millions out of this and offering the level of customer care you'd get from a woodlouse on heat!!

POF = Big Brother

I've been deleted from plenty of fish so many times, I'm beginning to feel like I'm in a snuff film. When I was last deleted I had 120 people who had saved me as their favorites and I've never spoken to any of them. And forget about trying to find out why you get deleted, because you'd have more chances of getting answers from a toaster. It's a horrible site that only allows conformists people who list long walks on the beach as interests. I have no idea how I will survive now without the benefit of meeting guys who are 10 years older than they list on their profiles, and use photographs that are so misrepresentative that you're standing in front of them at a meeting place and don't even know it's them.

Arbitrary deletions by moderators.

Yeah, I got booted off POS, er, POF too. Or at least i WILL be, after the moron who threatened to yank my profile reads this :-)

My crime? I had the unspeakable gall to write a couple of women to point out that their expectations were unreasonable!!

Is there a site where the advertisers can be made aware of how smelly this particular fish happens to be?
The only way to "creep out" the creeps running this site will be for the users to stop clicking on the advertisers sites.

POF and non conformists

The moderators on POF will delete anyone who's opinions run contrary to theirs. I had 5 friends join with me and we posted comments in the forum. Our initial plan was to see how far we'd get in a debate but we didn't get very far before we all got deleted and there was't an atom of us left, not even a hint that we ever existed and all our comments on the forums were gone as well. POF is so Orwellian that it's almost creepy.

POWER TRIP FOR WOMEN

Hello free date site people, I have been kicked of POF three different times.

Women report you there for no reason. It makes them feel important and powerful to get you kicked off. They look for any reason they
can find to report you and then watch for your e-mail
to them disappear. Then they laugh and feel powerful.

These women are fat, divorced, lonely, unhappy and
mad at the world and ready to take it out on a man
seriously searching for a wife.

If you join POF you will at some time be kicked off.

Like the people on here say, too many fat women and
too many women with children. If you want a fairly
decent looking woman there, you better be five foot
ten or they won't write you back or answer an instant message. It is a candy store for women.

Better to pay a few dollars a month and look at
decent looking women with no kids.

It's Free because it's a horrible site

Fact is, only a free site would delete people without justification. As well, the governing of free speach on POF is Stalinistic. And yes, so many people I know have been kicked off the site, some for having a profile that doesn't conform to their ideas. It's not just men who get kicked off the site and the really the only way to stay on the site for any length of time is watch what you say and list long walks on the beach and candle lit dinners as one of your interest because POF seems to have an open door policy on those as 95% of the members have it listed in their profiles.
It's not just a bad site because of the high number of losers, it's a bad site because of the Orwellian and Stalinistic behavior of the modorators.

hi

am passionate about life. I am sensitive, intuitive, perceptive besides being very loving and extremely generous... I enjoy adventure and I'm eager to try new things... Although many find me to be genuinely attractive I know I want a woman willing to give us the time to see past what I look like and venture beyond to see who I am....I have the opportunity to be materialistic and although I enjoy the finer things I find myself not needing but sometimes wanting specific things. I'm down to earth, yet sophisticated, honest, flexible, resourceful, organized , sexy, playful, athletic, adventurous and extremely compassionate....i am thankful to have the time and means to travel often.I also enjoy taking scenic road trips and trips to the beach.... an avid college football and basketball sports fan and follow my alma mater whenever possible......
interested in a wide range of topics; appreciate stimulating conversations, reading biographies, watching documentaries and select college football and basketball games, a well-made movie- especially foreign (British) dramas. I play in a weekly chess game and Texas Holdem - but not for money. I like the challenge of sticking to a set of rules- I find that poker skills are very similar to the skills used to invest.....

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